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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptics own

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podcast episode number 441 for the

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second of april 2017 Richard Saunders

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here with you from Sydney Australia gray

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overcast not so hot today mr. sort of

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the weather I like really a bit of rain

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lately bit of rain I think we're in for

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some more we had a bit of rain a couple

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of nights ago when men are Lara benim

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and I have ventured out to see Brian

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Greene the physicist talk here in Sydney

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it was they think ink event was downtown

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Sydney and there was a howling gale

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you'll hear some of that coming up as we

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visit me think ink event in here Brian

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Greene talk about Wow stars the fate of

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the universe time travel are we all

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Holograms went on and on it was an

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incredible talk what an interesting talk

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Maynard was there with his microphone to

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cover the flavor of the night you'll get

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a little bit of a sample what it was

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like but more importantly you'll hear

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from the people who were there what they

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thought of this fascinating scientist

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and thank you to the good people at

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think inc are we in in fact i think may

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not we'll be interviewing desh from

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think inc during his report all that is

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coming up a bit later on in the show but

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before we get to Brian Greene we've got

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Shelley stop and take stock thanks doc

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with Shelley stockin she's going to be

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reviewing a report on the skeptics

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website about paleo Pete Pete Evans now

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he has been criticized for his a

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somewhat irresponsible shall we say

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comments about health and medicine he's

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a celebrity TV chef pete evans and we're

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going to be reviewing what he said he

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went on TV to try and justify his more

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contentious opinions shelley stockin

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will give us her opinion on Pete Evans

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that's at the top of the show also

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coming up

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ever we have brouhaha from Australia

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science TV this week we're looking at

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natural disasters and cyclones and

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things with Ben Lewis then to round off

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the show more about a story we brought

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you last week I think it was about

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orgone energy in there are all going to

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fix Jiro cleanse this is the block of

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resin you plug into the wall and it does

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nothing more background and a report

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from the skeptics about that particular

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device coming up to round off the

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skeptic zone but before we get stuck

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into any of that a big congratulations

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to me now to our reporter who last night

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at the Castaway podcast Awards here in

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Sydney won his category for the planet

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Maynard podcasts at manor calm today you

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yes planet may not podcasts a number one

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in comedy and entertainment

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congratulations may not I was there on

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the night to um actually I was there as

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Maynard sidekick last night doing a lot

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of video work for me now and I was such

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a rush such a pleasure to be there and

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to hear maynards name being called out

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in fact why don't we hear that right now

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so I'm with the awards the finalists in

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this category we fact up planet Maynard

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and the genie show and now hopefully

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assistant and Oscar's the winner of the

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comedy and entertainment category is

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planet Manor

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it's so exciting been giving this plan

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ABC employee was the duty disbelievers

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podcast they described as overproduced

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and self-indulgence I said have you

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heard that 7 o's your drive show and the

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produced and self-indulgent but anyway

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I'd like to thank not so much god but

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the trilogy the Holy Trinity are adam

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curry from the no agenda show i Richard

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Saunders from the skeptics are John Cena

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boric also from the no agenda show and

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also basically the gini show and all

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fact up the other people in the category

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they were fantastic they should have won

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this is a mistake and people say well

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how did you win that basically get in

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the first year any awards going after

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that they tend to go of it thank you

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political reasons

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congratulations to all the finalists and

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especially the winner of the 2017 passed

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away comedy and entertainment award

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Maynard from Planet Manor well here we

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are at the after party here in Cleveland

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through it it's all a bit wild I'm

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hoping to go over to the victoria park

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pool and be naked there later fairly

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shortly swimming around because I bloody

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won something Richard I actually won

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something Maynard a planet may not the

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best podcast in the comedy section yes

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well we're a shock of course of course

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and people who listen to me now that may

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not come today you know that yeah look

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yeah it was kind of cool and to get up

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there and it was my speech okay wasn't

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too long I'm still laughing about it the

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crowd were roaring with laughter it was

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a great speech I I think we have some of

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the audio there we can have a listen to

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it there and look there's people on the

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red carpet so I can actually go on the

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red carpet legitimately because i'm

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actually a winner so here's the other

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thing if you go on the red carpet you'll

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have to talk to yourself because you're

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the guy interviewing people on the red

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carpet but you're a winner tonight too

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congratulations may not and that's folks

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is why my voice is sounding a little bit

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husky this morning because we were

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for many hours and having a really great

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time Maynard Comte you to listen to his

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award-winning podcast and people have

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entered into these podcasts Awards it

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sort of snuck up on me and I think it

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just didn't get around to it I guess I

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really don't do the skeptic zone to win

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awards however I might take a careful

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look and possibly into the skeptic

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but that's that's quite a right last

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night was Maynard's night and finally

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before we hear the music that the starts

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say a heartfelt thank you to the

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I hope we all see more of you and hear

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zone of those ads we run for the

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press that in a second before i press

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I'm doing all of that I hope you enjoy

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natural levels of fluoride to protect

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teeth when it comes to some of his

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comments about nutrition and about

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important dietary sources of calcium and

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it comes to vaccinations he needs to be

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more responsible he's got some fairly

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flaky ideas

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we know some of the people he

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communicates with in terms of his

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so-called sources he should stick to the

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pearl couscous and the scientists can

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stick to pertussis on the same channel 7

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interview Evans wife Nicola Robinson

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insisted that he isn't a whack job and

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Evans himself admitted that he suffered

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from crippling shyness I was a really

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shy kid he says it's been something

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that's been with me all my life even now

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I like to keep a low profile believe it

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or not it might be hard to believe but

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it would definitely be better for

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everyone if you did keep a low profile

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that's where Tim's article ends my take

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Pete Evans isn't the first person to

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digest a plate full of half-baked

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reckons and use them to pull on the

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hard-earned qualifications of experts

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and he won't be the last valuing

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unqualified personal opinions / expert

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the natural health arena but when you

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apply this dismissive attitude to other

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areas of interest and Industry it starts

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to fall apart would you want a clown to

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check your teeth a vet to fix your car a

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taxidermist mixing cocktails at your

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favorite bar would you trust your local

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chippy to negotiate world peace or a

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self-employed ventriloquist commanding

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the police would you ask a mime to paint

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your house a judge to groom your pet a

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famous escapologists to fly a jumbo jet

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would you ask if I marana for directions

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to the station or a TV chef and co-host

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for advice on vaccinations when you

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break your lower tibia you don't consult

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a cook that's when orthopedic

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specialists and nurses get a look sure a

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chef can poach an egg or make a cheese

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sauce from a roux but for health advice

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choose somebody who's got a frickin clue

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I'm Shelley stockin thanks for having me

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in your earholes good crashbug a

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others about to the science and critical

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here's my not spooky action at a

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welcome to a truly horrible night as far

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as Sydney weather goes now I know

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Richard likes live run out in the

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international world know what the

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weather in Australia's like well it's

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raining tonight people are getting wet

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people are running around going oh my

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godness Bruce hold the umbrella all that

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stuff's going on here and we're seeing

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Brian Greene who course wrote the art of

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course acting and the year of living

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dangerously I think that's the bright I

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know that's another green well um he

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invented a color that is on the spectrum

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he did lots of stuff we'll look I'll be

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look look are we burning up on who Brian

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Green is in the next 10 min at Richard

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how are you I'm well I'm a bit soggy wet

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this is the we're getting the sort of

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the tail end or the front of cyclone

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Debbie in fact here in Sydney we're in

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the the international conference center

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or whatever it's called and just imagine

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if your parents made something and you

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weren't allowed to sit on it because

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plastic was on everything and then they

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took the plastic off that's exactly what

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this entire building looks like doesn't

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it Richard it's very new main item we're

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looking for a drink we are indeed and as

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you may know sydney's lockout laws are

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fairly extensive so if you actually want

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to have a drink at any time particularly

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once the Sun Goes Down forget

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international visitors but I'll hang on

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they've found a bar well we found

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somewhere just across into the shopping

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center that's where we can get this is

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good because this is one of the new bars

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which is a good chance because it's a

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new bar that none of us have actually

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been banned from it yet that's good and

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and how are you tonight who we got here

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I solara I'm good how are you sounds

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pretty good then it's raining out so I

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do think this will affect the science

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orientated crowd coming this evening I'm

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I hope not I don't think so it certainly

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wouldn't in England otherwise we'd

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literally never go out that's true

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you're right i guess i'm talking to

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someone who's used to rain and when i

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say the name brian greene to you what

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thoughts come to mind physics

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is he a theoretical one I think he is

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yeah okay I guess oh we're in the

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howling gale okay riding outside there

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we go should we go our names you've

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probably heard about tropical cyclone

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Debbie which hit Queensland in the north

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of Australia so this is hard now of

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course this mainly damaged the

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whitsundays in the Makai area and did

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affect a wide area but did not did not

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in fact destroy Queensland as the media

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would have you believe and as the

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Queensland elizab tell you they're tough

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and they say bring it on every time a

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cyclone comes and they they spray

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graffiti about the cyclone and

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everything they don't scared about it

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can't scare queenslanders now of course

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we we play the main ad-skipping zone

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bingo when we go to any thinking

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particular if it's a physicist the terms

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we are looking for the terms we are

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looking for ah Planck time hologram

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theory and multiverse bit too easy but

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the good one on the list but Planck time

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is the one because no time no one's been

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able to explain Planck time to me

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correctly for all the years I've been

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asking about it probably me rather than

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people explain it that's a problem I

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think and also we we do we do love

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hologram theory which gets a laugh and

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probably from a physicist gets a grimace

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but we'll see what happens because

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Richard for Brian Greene what will you

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be trusted in the world and physics what

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are you hoping he's talked about it

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because we know my ones Planck time and

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I do like a bit of hologram theory time

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travel mmm always the favorite of mine

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ever since I was a kid ever since I was

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a little kid watching Doctor Who so

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this silence folks is because I don't

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know the future I think well the future

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would be interesting but now I'm think

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he's gonna say something about you might

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not be able to go one way like you might

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only be able to go back you might not be

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able to go forward you can only go

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forward okay you can't go back look Bob

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why my brother gonna see Brian really

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you spoilers spoil our car Richard

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Saunders answers physics questions for

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you so you don't have to go see some

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guys spent time at uni yeah well think

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of all the times that you think I wish I

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could go back and turn you know do

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something differently in my life it

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doesn't work like that never has never

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will and we're not flooded by tourists

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from the future are we unless you're

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from if you try up and wondered I do

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live in the future but I'm not from

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there because even they won't have me

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and then of course it was time to go in

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and see dr. Brian Greene blow our minds

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with his theoretical and sometimes not

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so theoretical physics perhaps we'd like

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to test the the applause sound again but

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we get a cheer for Brian Greene and

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science in general and all

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time travel is absolutely possible if

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you for instance going here the edge of

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a black hole I suppose go spend a few

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weeks there good greatly time elapses

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for you is very very slow and you come

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back to earth entity the future it may

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be

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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great pleasure to be here and you know

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we we are a species that asks questions

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right that's with you who we are one of

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the biggest questions of all is why are

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we here not here the icc sit down know

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why we're here to have the conversation

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about time and reality but why are we

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alive right what is life what is

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consciousness mean what do you or I this

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planet is gallon to this universe what

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does it all mean well I don't come to

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make very much for coming goodnight

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everybody so it falls to me just to say

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what an honor has been to share the

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stage with dr. Brian brief and share

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this auditorium with you as we discuss

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these big wondrous ideas and I hope that

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will round out the evening we've SAT

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very patiently you're probably numb in

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the face but I'm hoping we can end with

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I mean dr. Brian Greene really blew my

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tiny eight brain and my brain was a bit

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scrambled but after the event my brain

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was not the only one that had been

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scrambled as you'll hear now how are you

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inspired Andrew by brian greene if at

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all or maybe you were bit mom nonplussed

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by the whole physics experiment here

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tonight blown away yeah holy blonde

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alone said here and just let it all flow

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and flow over flow through meeses

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fascinating great communicator what was

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your most interesting bit that made made

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you go I hear hear imagine that all we

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was talking about string theory I was

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wondering whether they'll be listening

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as much as they're looking for evidence

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on in a collision now they also

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listening at that time and what would

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those sound like okay well by the by

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what he was saying they're about halfway

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to be able to sing it 18 to the 0 or

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something they got to get to 38 or

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something like that so they're halfway

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there that's easy for us to say sitting

543
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:23,250
here you know having a few drinks well

544
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,600
that's the other thing is you know this

545
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:26,940
sort of simple you gave some great

546
00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:31,980
graphic analogies showing time scales

547
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:34,950
and they use the Empire State Building

548
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:37,620
as a way of saying this is where the Big

549
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:39,210
Bang was and this is where the

550
00:25:43,249 --> 00:25:41,570
ultimately it'll Peters out and that was

551
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:43,259
[Music]

552
00:25:49,049 --> 00:25:47,200
sort of gave you a sense of one thing

553
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:49,059
look I think you're hearing the sound of

554
00:25:55,259 --> 00:25:50,740
a man's mind has been a bit blown i

555
00:26:00,539 --> 00:25:55,269
think wonderful absolutely this best

556
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:00,549
night i've spent wandering through the

557
00:26:04,139 --> 00:26:01,870
crowd in the floor afterwards he

558
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:04,149
everyone's fairly inspired by the whole

559
00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:09,460
thing what did you find most inspiring

560
00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:12,100
about dr. Greene this evening oh good

561
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:13,480
lord everything I know nothing about

562
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:16,960
science was there one fact that blew

563
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:20,529
your mind more than anything else how

564
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:24,070
little I knew what so you walked in

565
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:27,730
there going I know all this I know

566
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:29,470
nothing i'm interested in also i just

567
00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:31,299
kind of feel like I'm my brain has

568
00:26:34,769 --> 00:26:33,460
exploded at my I'm Suffolk spoken to a

569
00:26:37,109 --> 00:26:34,779
few people that feel a bit like that I

570
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:37,119
hope it gets better yeah yeah I know

571
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:38,740
everyone's got that wow that really blew

572
00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:40,090
me out there well how do you feel that

573
00:26:43,139 --> 00:26:41,830
the whole thing that was great I know

574
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,149
the code because I was sitting there and

575
00:26:47,129 --> 00:26:45,279
look it took a lot he did mention a

576
00:26:49,259 --> 00:26:47,139
hologram theory in a way that we could

577
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:49,269
be a simulation you did mention that he

578
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:51,970
did mention Max Planck so Planck time

579
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:54,789
got it yeah he needs to get around more

580
00:27:00,869 --> 00:26:57,730
absolutely yes cool like a look and look

581
00:27:03,659 --> 00:27:00,879
up good Iran is here from the skeptics

582
00:27:05,129 --> 00:27:03,669
of course and Iran what blew your mind

583
00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:05,139
about what's going on onstage tonight

584
00:27:10,109 --> 00:27:07,960
with dr. Greene the excitement yeah I

585
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:10,119
think a scientist who's really excited

586
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,769
about the message that delivering that

587
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:14,080
they talk when somebody like that is on

588
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:15,970
stage and they speak they talk about the

589
00:27:20,879 --> 00:27:18,369
signs and they make it accessible in

590
00:27:23,369 --> 00:27:20,889
some sense but mostly they're makes it

591
00:27:25,859 --> 00:27:23,379
really exciting for people who are not

592
00:27:28,379 --> 00:27:25,869
involved in this in hit in this specific

593
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,389
scientific area on a day-to-day basis I

594
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:29,919
think that's what that's the only thing

595
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:31,210
that's important I I know quite a bit

596
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,980
about physics obviously i'm not you know

597
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:35,440
professionally in this area but again

598
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:37,330
time and again you know i watch Neil

599
00:27:42,419 --> 00:27:39,460
deGrasse Tyson says things that I know

600
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:42,429
already or Brian Green says the things

601
00:27:45,659 --> 00:27:44,350
that I know already but I still find it

602
00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:45,669
fascinating because the way the

603
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:47,259
communicated the excitement that they

604
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:49,170
cause in the audience that is to me

605
00:27:55,049 --> 00:27:51,730
so you're someone who's physics curious

606
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:55,059
uh yeah a little bit more than that but

607
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:56,710
yeah yeah you can see everyone getting

608
00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:58,270
really excited about the whole thing yes

609
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,070
absolutely but he also said that every

610
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:01,600
scientist shouldn't really have to be a

611
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:02,950
science communicator as well some of

612
00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:04,690
them can just get on with it absolutely

613
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:07,350
true I mean I think in every area like

614
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:10,210
we have a similar kind of debate you

615
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:12,520
know within the skeptical / atheist

616
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:14,650
community for example about the Richard

617
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Dawkins approach for over as opposed to

618
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:18,010
you not like maybe we should go softly

619
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:19,690
softly I got really sure to go all

620
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,280
shouting i love the dork in his approach

621
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:22,960
just cuz the way he winds everybody up

622
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:24,250
yeah the problem is that there's a lot

623
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:25,690
of blowback from that no but the thing

624
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:27,460
is the reason Richard Dawkins

625
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:29,260
communicates the way he does is because

626
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:31,420
he's Richard Dawkins and the way and you

627
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:32,710
know and you have other people who

628
00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:34,690
communicate differently and that's fine

629
00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:36,160
you know different people beep people

630
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:37,540
bring their perspective and their

631
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,910
attitude and their personality to the

632
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:41,440
way they communicate and some people

633
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:43,720
just don't communicate and the reality

634
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:45,730
is that you don't need every scientist

635
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:48,610
to communicate to the general public of

636
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,920
course they all communicate within this

637
00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:53,679
within the scientific establishment and

638
00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:55,780
within you know with their conferences

639
00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:57,640
and magazines and all of that but you

640
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,610
know it's it's enough that we have some

641
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:01,600
scientists who are capable of speaking

642
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:03,250
about these these things to the public

643
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:06,010
in a way that Brian Greene does very

644
00:29:10,919 --> 00:29:09,400
well let's go thank you right we gonna

645
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:10,929
talk to you about look look I was a

646
00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:11,890
whole bunch of people with their mind

647
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:13,900
blown here Alethea what was them what

648
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:15,220
was the thing he said that blew your

649
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:19,300
mind the most too much can i pick okay I

650
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:21,070
don't yeah everyone's a bit like that

651
00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:24,490
yeah the Q&A session so many interesting

652
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:26,920
questions but talking about how they go

653
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:29,800
about proving string theory mmm the

654
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:31,870
different experiments that will probably

655
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:33,880
be inconclusive or not show us anything

656
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:37,510
but also the very basic question of how

657
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:41,290
does string theory unite general

658
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,950
relativity

659
00:29:46,649 --> 00:29:45,070
and quantum theory and he gave what was

660
00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:46,659
up to a point a really clear explanation

661
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:48,760
and then it all fell apart from my

662
00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:50,740
little brain and I really wish that we

663
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:52,990
had some visual aids yes because we had

664
00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:54,669
the Venn diagrams of the different

665
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:56,980
theories and we and I think it's not

666
00:30:00,990 --> 00:29:58,570
clear how they do mesh maybe that's why

667
00:30:03,629 --> 00:30:01,000
we didn't understand it and earlier on

668
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:03,639
he had such amazing visual to show us

669
00:30:08,629 --> 00:30:05,529
step out you know the heat death of the

670
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:08,639
universe which helped my uneducated

671
00:30:13,409 --> 00:30:11,529
liberal arts brain and the concept of

672
00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:13,419
time taking so long that even black

673
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:15,519
holes evaporate that get your head

674
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:17,260
around that one people yeah oh and we

675
00:30:21,419 --> 00:30:19,480
all might be a brain in the future

676
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:21,429
that's we all might be the creation of

677
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:23,490
brain in the future or a simulation yes

678
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,750
I've often thought that mean out as a

679
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:27,760
simulation yeah so I think we all got a

680
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,350
lot to ponder upon so good luck with it

681
00:30:34,289 --> 00:30:31,840
I know I can't understand it I can't

682
00:30:36,029 --> 00:30:34,299
either but that was an awesome event and

683
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:36,039
Richard of course what did you find that

684
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,809
was going on there what was blowing your

685
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:40,960
little tiny eight brain ah my tiny eight

686
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:42,730
brain oh well that's why I referred of

687
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,019
mine I thought since I know you I could

688
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:47,200
say the same thing yes I I like the when

689
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:49,210
he was talking about people in the far

690
00:30:54,419 --> 00:30:51,730
far far future would look out and just

691
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:54,429
see a tiny clusters of galaxies and

692
00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:56,409
think there's nothing beyond it because

693
00:30:59,700 --> 00:30:57,909
their instruments is saying there's

694
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:59,710
nothing beyond it because the light from

695
00:31:03,629 --> 00:31:01,450
the galaxies are so far away and they're

696
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,639
moving so fast that it there faster than

697
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:04,720
the speed of light so the light can't

698
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:06,760
get back to this galaxy and that was

699
00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:08,470
interesting would I get me started on

700
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:10,389
actual alien theory because Noah no one

701
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:11,830
listens to what the Egyptians were

702
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:13,450
saying now and we would be worse than

703
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:15,190
the Egyptians to those people then what

704
00:31:19,049 --> 00:31:16,990
do whether what were they saying oh well

705
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:19,059
there's gods and stuff ha ha ha yeah

706
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:20,409
there you go and they were controlled by

707
00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:25,960
cats i believe that i'm here with dish

708
00:31:30,659 --> 00:31:27,429
and what's your role with thinking dish

709
00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:30,669
i'm the founder of thinking wow okay so

710
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:32,679
Brian Green is like a rock star within

711
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:34,269
the world of thinking so tell me what

712
00:31:38,129 --> 00:31:36,070
does he own heaven his rider what kind

713
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:38,139
of things does a physicist asked for

714
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:41,830
backstage well and the only requirement

715
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:44,860
he's a strict vegan okay and so that is

716
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:47,110
not to say he asked for I want this and

717
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:48,850
that he just says I'll have anything

718
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:51,460
vegan okay so apart from that nothing

719
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:53,769
else is very you know he likes water and

720
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:54,790
soy milk

721
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:56,230
now of course you've seen a lot of

722
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:57,610
people here walking out with their head

723
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,990
spinning because of all the concepts

724
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:00,640
that have been introduced how do you go

725
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:02,410
as someone that's been to every thinking

726
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:05,170
thing and the got it going how did your

727
00:32:08,610 --> 00:32:06,430
brain go tonight with some of the

728
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,620
concepts we got introduced to somebody

729
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:10,450
tweeted today is saying I've been to so

730
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:12,010
many thinking convince and it surprised

731
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:14,590
me at every event you know there are so

732
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:15,700
many people and I learned something

733
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:18,550
that's that's the reality every event I

734
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:19,810
mean this is the second show of the tour

735
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:22,450
and I still learn things going oh wow I

736
00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:25,510
never thought of it like that and it's

737
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:27,220
like that it's a pleasure it's an

738
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:29,170
absolute pleasure it is still an unusual

739
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:30,760
thing in culture to see a whole bunch of

740
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,560
people give a standing ovation to

741
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:34,480
someone's intelligence you don't get

742
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:36,850
that every day so the whole idea behind

743
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:39,370
thinking is just that we want to make

744
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:41,980
intelligent thinkers people with ideas

745
00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:44,620
the pop culture icons of our society

746
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:46,870
maybe an idealistic way or we both the

747
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:50,170
world but you know Cardassians have a

748
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:53,290
place but Brian greens and neil degrasse

749
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:55,270
tyson should have a place in society in

750
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:57,610
a similar level that is a grand idea of

751
00:33:00,270 --> 00:32:59,170
thinking look I know you got a lot of

752
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:00,280
people coming who's the one you're

753
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:01,690
looking forward to the most just pick

754
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:04,600
one I know a lot of people coming that's

755
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:07,810
a tough question just what someone's

756
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:09,970
pulling my leg so I have to say skeptic

757
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:12,880
on which is a actually I'll be I'll be

758
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:14,740
quite honest the original thinking

759
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:18,490
concept was a and one day ideas festival

760
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:21,220
that didn't necessarily go to plan so

761
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:23,890
skepticon is kind of like the one that's

762
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:26,290
going to go right now you got a lot to

763
00:33:30,390 --> 00:33:27,850
do they you got more riders to figure

764
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:30,400
gotta chase up some vegan wine so you do

765
00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:44,920
[Music]

766
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:51,400
and now direct from the cafe at

767
00:34:02,220 --> 00:33:54,730
Australia's science channel its brouhaha

768
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:02,230
with ben lewis as cycling debbie basses

769
00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:04,210
queensland it's time to remember how

770
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:06,670
important it is to stay informed during

771
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:08,830
natural disasters the internet is great

772
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:11,110
but let's face it it's easy to come

773
00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:13,390
across some pretty dodgy it fate now

774
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:15,400
it's not just the Cyclones but bush

775
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:17,500
fires floods and all the things

776
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:20,290
Australia throws at us there's no time

777
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:21,970
to waste trying to work out what's

778
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:24,400
credible and what's not and it's all too

779
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:27,310
tempting to just read everything so to

780
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:29,170
make good decisions without getting

781
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,450
wrapped up in information overload limit

782
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:33,970
yourself to a few credible science back

783
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:36,310
sources if you want to know about the

784
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:38,740
storm itself the best place to head for

785
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:40,179
info is the bureau of meteorology

786
00:34:44,669 --> 00:34:42,160
they're the folks who are collecting

787
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:44,679
data in real time they are always

788
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:46,750
improving their own ability to forecast

789
00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:49,510
cyclones by using a mixture of satellite

790
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:52,060
imagery and computer modeling however

791
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:53,260
cyclones are generally pretty

792
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,000
unpredictable in their movement and

793
00:34:59,420 --> 00:34:57,280
intensity so you can't expect perfection

794
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,430
but they're pretty damn good at it and

795
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:02,560
if you hunker down at home keep an eye

796
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:05,410
or even better an ear on the local ABC

797
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:08,500
as the official emergency broadcaster

798
00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:10,390
their equipment is built to withstand

799
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:13,360
disasters they will constantly broadcast

800
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:15,550
emergency information from the state

801
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:17,590
emergency services and other credible

802
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:20,260
sources if you are in northern

803
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:22,180
Queensland at the moment stay informed

804
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:24,670
and stay safe we'll see you on the other

805
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:29,930
for more brouhaha and Australian science

806
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:41,029
greetings listeners it's me captain

807
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,410
disillusion on my youtube channel called

808
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:45,900
captain disillusion aye captain

809
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:48,270
disillusion analyzed viral videos of the

810
00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:50,520
strange and unbelievable I explain how

811
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:52,829
interframe video compression 3d motion

812
00:35:57,289 --> 00:35:54,839
tracking and stock the effects elements

813
00:35:59,599 --> 00:35:57,299
prove that Justin Bieber is not a secret

814
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,609
reptilian alien but those videos of

815
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:01,440
ghost cars are just unintentional

816
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,450
optical illusions and that lightning did

817
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,160
not strike a few feet away from a girl

818
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:06,960
on a beach as we saw on the news I'm

819
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:09,720
real fun at parties my best friend is a

820
00:36:14,809 --> 00:36:13,020
lens flare dimmer switch disillusion I

821
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,819
do know other people sometimes they even

822
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:16,680
show up in my videos people like

823
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,410
skepticism is grandpa james randi sirve

824
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,720
de Soleil Acrobat Erica Lynn's weight

825
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:23,880
loss enthusiast Penn Jillette and the

826
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:26,220
actual Beekman from Beakman's world I

827
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,930
hope you'll check out my adventures

828
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:30,240
interact with me in a platonic way and

829
00:36:35,059 --> 00:36:32,579
even consider becoming a patron of my

830
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:35,069
work you can do all that and more on

831
00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:38,330
youtube or at captain disillusion calm

832
00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:50,240
on last week's episode of the skeptic

833
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:53,790
zone I mentioned the report by choice

834
00:36:59,540 --> 00:36:57,510
magazine into the Geo cleanse home

835
00:37:04,069 --> 00:36:59,550
harmonizer from all gone effects

836
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:04,079
Australia now this is a small lump of

837
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:08,460
resin with a power plug sort of glued on

838
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:11,880
or implanted into it so you can plug it

839
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,130
into a power outlet why I don't know it

840
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:16,560
doesn't do anything now this block is

841
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,660
about an inch by two inches or something

842
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:20,220
like that it's not very big and it's

843
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:23,640
green it looks like the sort of green

844
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:26,040
you would get if you bought something

845
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:30,300
that their glowed in the dark I don't

846
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:35,839
know the claims for this block of resin

847
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:41,160
extravagant and vague and precise all at

848
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,790
the same time it it's like a good luck

849
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,000
charm but after the report from choice

850
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:50,160
magazine to mendham from Australian

851
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:51,980
skeptics and I put together this little

852
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:55,440
item which you can find at skeptics com

853
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:00,599
au choice rubbishes home harmonizer no

854
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:03,510
effect and a waste of money published on

855
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,200
the twenty-seventh of May 2017 choices

856
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:09,359
put the so-called geo cleanse home

857
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,510
harmonizer through a test and found it

858
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,150
to be a waste of money and sure to turn

859
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,000
off your friends geo cleanse is sold as

860
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:20,720
a quote geo pathak stress and

861
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:23,700
electromagnetic radiation harmonizer end

862
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:27,000
quote that does sound extravagant I love

863
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:30,990
this geo pathak stress I think that's to

864
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:34,200
do with the mythical ley lines or earth

865
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,050
energy or arrays or things like that the

866
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:39,359
products supplied by a Victorian company

867
00:38:43,819 --> 00:38:41,550
all gone effects Australia is a solid

868
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:43,829
block of green plastic resin with a plug

869
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,619
a molded into the back it has no

870
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,680
components or circuitry it is simply a

871
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:51,839
block and a plug when plugged into a

872
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,970
power point its claim to neutralize the

873
00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:55,800
effect of what choice describes as quote

874
00:39:01,340 --> 00:38:59,730
a startlingly long list of supposed

875
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:01,350
for radiation and radio and

876
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,230
electromagnetic fields from sources such

877
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:06,780
as Wi-Fi mobile phone phone towers death

878
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,850
in prints and negative psychic

879
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:11,040
impressions solar flares your home smart

880
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:13,140
meter and even your neighbors television

881
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:15,480
a single geo cleanse home harmonizer is

882
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:18,230
even powerful enough to harmonize

883
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:22,130
interdimensional imprinting radiation

884
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:24,900
sounds like some new-age rock group

885
00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:26,970
doesn't it and now with our latest hit

886
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:28,830
it's interdimensional imprinting

887
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,490
radiation go hmm personal beams and a

888
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:35,520
variety of other made up stuff for up to

889
00:39:41,090 --> 00:39:39,390
12 acres or an entire 59 storey building

890
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:41,100
in quote what if you live on the 60th

891
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,830
floor you sort of out of luck aren't you

892
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,820
what if you live on the second floor

893
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:47,119
does it right really give you a lot of

894
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:49,470
protection and the further you go up the

895
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:53,850
less or from a little bit of resin the

896
00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:56,270
product promises to neutralize

897
00:40:01,580 --> 00:39:58,230
electromagnetic radiation radio

898
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:01,590
frequencies and cosmic energy cosmic

899
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:06,330
energy cosmic energy quote in our modern

900
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,240
world things like this are impossible to

901
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,700
avoid well I would have thought that

902
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,160
cosmic energy was impossible to avoid if

903
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,520
it exists from day one but this solid

904
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:19,500
block of plastic promises to bring it in

905
00:40:26,109 --> 00:40:22,490
to your suffering in quote choice says

906
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:26,119
now here's here's one of the the amorim

907
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:30,390
ironically funny bits of the whole

908
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:33,720
report and this is what organ effects is

909
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,690
saying unlike other fake energy

910
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,820
Harmonizers which all gone effects

911
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,619
Australia claim can only create

912
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:43,440
imaginary energy balancing fields of up

913
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,830
to six meters or less geo cleanse claims

914
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:49,200
to harmonize electromagnetic radiation

915
00:40:54,430 --> 00:40:51,510
and energy imprinting from electrical

916
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:54,440
appliances wiring and power lines up to

917
00:41:01,160 --> 00:40:57,780
200 meters from your property and earth

918
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:01,170
and magnetic grid lines up to 400 meters

919
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,350
away now I think these gridlines I think

920
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:05,760
these must be the ley lines that you

921
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:07,470
were you may have heard about these

922
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:10,710
mythical lines of energy that run around

923
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:11,210
the plan

924
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:14,690
but I love this line unlike other fake

925
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:17,180
energy Harmonizers I wonder which ones

926
00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:20,030
they mean and I wonder how they tested

927
00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:21,560
them that all gone effects Australia I

928
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:23,300
wonder what sort of I know what sort of

929
00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:25,070
test they would have done actually if

930
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:27,230
they did any test law they would have

931
00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:30,740
used here it comes dowsing rods or

932
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:32,660
divining rods in fact when I was

933
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:34,310
speaking to one of their representatives

934
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,430
own over a year ago I think it's hard to

935
00:41:42,609 --> 00:41:39,680
remember mind body wallet comes up every

936
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:42,619
six months so after all these years they

937
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:45,070
sort of get lost in a bit of a blur but

938
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:48,349
at one occasion I was actually having a

939
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:51,349
very nice and polite chat to one of the

940
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:54,380
representatives expressing my doubts of

941
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:56,540
course and at the end of the chat I

942
00:42:02,050 --> 00:41:59,780
offered them details Lee at the

943
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:02,060
Australian skeptics $100,000 challenge

944
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:04,790
but during the course of my chat with

945
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:06,170
one of the representatives about this

946
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,060
orgone energy in the products I was

947
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:10,640
selling he said that they would test

948
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:13,640
things using dowsing rods to see if

949
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:15,560
there was working like a lump of resin

950
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,290
on the table or a harmonizer or what

951
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:21,680
have you and indeed the phone patches

952
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:24,260
they sell when I asked him what was one

953
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,970
of the ways you knew it was working well

954
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:29,359
dowsing rods and in fact on the table at

955
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:32,990
their exhibition stand they had dowsing

956
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:35,540
rods they're ready to go or the other

957
00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:37,849
way you can test it is by doing Kirlian

958
00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:40,790
photography or aura photography and it

959
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:43,550
says a lot choice magazine put the

960
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:45,950
product which retails for 150 dollars

961
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:47,930
through a series of laboratory tests of

962
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:51,740
the supplies claims including impact on

963
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,270
magnets and electromagnetic fields none

964
00:43:03,540 --> 00:42:59,440
increase in the number of photons none

965
00:43:08,829 --> 00:43:03,550
increase in oxygen levels none and

966
00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:08,839
generating negative ions none and you'll

967
00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:10,670
remember from last week they rounded off

968
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,680
their report by saying geo cleanse has

969
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:15,680
quote the effectiveness of a tin foil

970
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:17,930
hat but lacks the hats potential for use

971
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:21,109
in food preparation in quote one

972
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:24,740
purchaser on a review site did vouch for

973
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:27,890
geo cleansers effectiveness quote the

974
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:30,290
day after plugging it in I noticed the

975
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:32,420
postman delivered our mail 10 minutes

976
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:35,210
earlier which is one of the few claims

977
00:43:39,609 --> 00:43:37,010
not listed by the manufacturer and

978
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:39,619
should definitely be added it also

979
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:42,020
manages to make money disappear but then

980
00:43:46,359 --> 00:43:44,089
if you bought one you'd already know

981
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:46,369
that meant quote all going to fix

982
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,310
customer relations Australian skeptics

983
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:52,160
has had a number of run-ins with the Geo

984
00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:54,080
cleanse supplier or grin effects

985
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,320
Australia in 2016 skeptics investigator

986
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:59,359
Richard Saunders had an interesting

987
00:44:04,450 --> 00:44:01,430
discussion with one of the company reps

988
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:04,460
as I was just telling you about at the

989
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:06,410
mind-body-spirit exhibition in Sydney

990
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:08,390
even though Saunders was upfront about

991
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:10,220
his role in the skeptics they talked

992
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,230
openly about their range of products

993
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:14,720
which include harmonizers for mobile

994
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,540
phones and Wi-Fi radiation wristwatches

995
00:44:24,339 --> 00:44:20,480
the ionic personal protection pendant

996
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:24,349
how many wear jewelry ionic shoe insoles

997
00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:29,170
and anionic toothbrush that'll really um

998
00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:32,060
that'll what you get a zap when you do

999
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:33,500
that would you put it under running

1000
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:35,750
water an offer to apply for the

1001
00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:38,150
Australian skeptics $100,000 prize was

1002
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:40,849
also made at this encounter in August

1003
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:43,490
2016 Saunders ordered one of the organ

1004
00:44:48,339 --> 00:44:46,130
effects phone harmonizers as part of an

1005
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:48,349
ongoing investigation into such devices

1006
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:50,690
but when the company management realized

1007
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,910
who he was they refunded his money now

1008
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,240
that was interesting that was on the

1009
00:45:01,150 --> 00:44:58,720
11th of August 2016 and in the morning

1010
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:01,160
we were the strange skeptics looking at

1011
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,190
all a range of these fun radiation

1012
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:07,040
shields and as a process as part of the

1013
00:45:11,859 --> 00:45:09,320
process I bought one from this company

1014
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:11,869
one from this company and so on and then

1015
00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:13,400
I bought one online from all gone

1016
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:16,220
effects Australia within an hour or just

1017
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:21,790
over an hour I noticed in my paypal my

1018
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:24,830
purchase has been refunded very quickly

1019
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:26,990
and I was a bit confused and then very

1020
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:29,030
shortly after I had text message on my

1021
00:45:38,049 --> 00:45:33,980
phone and it said quote are you from

1022
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:42,769
my reply quote yes I noticed the refund

1023
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:45,690
are you out of stock and quote I heard

1024
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,099
nothing more so I can I can imagine my

1025
00:45:55,390 --> 00:45:53,460
can surmise I can speculate that after

1026
00:45:58,999 --> 00:45:55,400
my conversation with one of the reps and

1027
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:59,009
the passing of over of our challenge

1028
00:46:03,819 --> 00:46:01,470
which is a little lamb little little

1029
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:03,829
flyer novelty check flyer much like the

1030
00:46:10,339 --> 00:46:07,440
James Randi Educational Foundation used

1031
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:10,349
to give up with that discussions ensued

1032
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:14,700
at all gone effects Australia and the

1033
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,170
next time I showed up at the

1034
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:21,420
mind-body-spirit after this so that

1035
00:46:27,319 --> 00:46:24,420
would have been late in 2016 in november

1036
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:27,329
i think it was before i even got to the

1037
00:46:36,019 --> 00:46:31,940
the stand of the organ effects australia

1038
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,029
they called security and by the time in

1039
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,339
bryce my friend and investigator turned

1040
00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:41,220
up as we walk down the corridor our

1041
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:44,369
security that were there both the reps

1042
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:45,960
from all gone effects Australia were

1043
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:49,529
very nervous and hyper and and and they

1044
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:51,630
looked like rabbits in the headlight one

1045
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,729
of them took out his camera and took a

1046
00:46:58,219 --> 00:46:56,640
picture of me for some reason we're not

1047
00:46:59,559 --> 00:46:58,229
talking to you you're from Australian

1048
00:47:02,209 --> 00:46:59,569
skeptics you're here to cause trouble

1049
00:47:03,739 --> 00:47:02,219
they said it's a pity they took this

1050
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:03,749
attitude because my last encounter with

1051
00:47:07,579 --> 00:47:06,119
them was very friendly but I imagine if

1052
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:07,589
you're selling products like this you

1053
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:10,920
might be worried about investigations we

1054
00:47:16,219 --> 00:47:13,890
read on however this sensitivity to

1055
00:47:18,019 --> 00:47:16,229
negative skeptical vibes didn't stop

1056
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:18,029
them selling a phone harmonizer to

1057
00:47:22,969 --> 00:47:20,609
skeptics executive officer tim mendham

1058
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:22,979
at the next mind-body-spirit fair in

1059
00:47:28,539 --> 00:47:25,380
2017 this is the same one where they

1060
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:28,549
called security on me but Tim mendham

1061
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,170
went down to their store sometime

1062
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,690
earlier and simply bought one of their

1063
00:47:37,579 --> 00:47:35,880
products the seller told mendham that

1064
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:37,589
while the harmonizer was supposed to be

1065
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,529
stuck to the back of the phone and this

1066
00:47:45,739 --> 00:47:42,599
is this is a little sticker mrs. Abbott

1067
00:47:48,709 --> 00:47:45,749
just a sticker you put on it could also

1068
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:48,719
be stuck onto the phone cover or in fact

1069
00:47:53,959 --> 00:47:51,089
just allowed to slide

1070
00:47:56,349 --> 00:47:53,969
the cover without being fixed the effect

1071
00:47:59,299 --> 00:47:56,359
would be the same he said without any

1072
00:48:00,680 --> 00:47:59,309
irony this is not the first time the

1073
00:48:03,759 --> 00:48:00,690
subject of orgone energy has been

1074
00:48:06,739 --> 00:48:03,769
investigated by Australian skeptics in

1075
00:48:08,959 --> 00:48:06,749
1986 the late racing car driver peter

1076
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:08,969
brock was awarded the bent spoon for his

1077
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:13,140
ill-fated energy polarizer box which was

1078
00:48:19,549 --> 00:48:16,109
also based on orgone energy now this was

1079
00:48:22,279 --> 00:48:19,559
a little box you put under the bonnet or

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the hood of the car and it claimed to

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make the car run smoother better give

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you more economy everything everything

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like that and this was based on this

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mythical orgone energy it looks like

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there will be another bench spoon

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nomination for this mythical energy in

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2017 yes that should come soon on these

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Australian skeptics website and

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nominations are open for the 2017 bent

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spoon award if you live in Australia and

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you'd like to nominate an Australian

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outfit company product psychic

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clairvoyant government department you

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can do that at skeptics comte you

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shortly I think with this history and

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such a damning report from the respected

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organization choice we cannot help but

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wonder if at long last the a Triple C

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Consumer Affairs Victoria where the

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company is located or other state-based

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Consumer Affairs departments might also

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like to take a keen interest in the

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products and claims of all gone effects

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and of course they are the right people

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to do it choice magazine have done a

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great job in investigating this the

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Australian skeptics investigate things

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like this all the time but ultimately we

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can't change the law or have the same

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effect as a government department who

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regulates such things this is basic

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consumer affairs if you sell a lump

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plastic and make all these claims about

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it

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you have to back up those claims they

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have to be real like any product sold by

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anybody ranging from mobile phones two

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microphones I'm using now computers

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fridges it doesn't matter we have

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consumer laws in Australia we have laws

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that protect you when you buy something

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we have laws about making claims

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advertising and whatever the people are

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all gone effects Australia believe they

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have to abide by these laws for a good

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laugh google or go on energy who r g 0

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and e orgone energy and find out about

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the history of this wacky crazy zany

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off-the-wall madcap theory

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I'm courses hello an alley door to her

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that the skeptics on podcasts boasted

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year this is alvin Dutch Manannan

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skeptic of a band gift / vital

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information Oberon's on the skeptic a

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magazine reserved v.v.v point gavey oop

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a punk talk hv dejala vvv font TV rupee

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Potok on tons of it say on facebook

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and another and another

1141
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congratulations to Maynard it's it's

1142
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quite an interesting thing when

1143
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Maynard's doing something for the

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skeptic zone as you heard with these

1145
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wonderful interviews at the brine green

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talk how he is running around like a

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lunatic getting lots of content but I

1148
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promise you the situation is reversed as

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just the other night at the podcasting

1150
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Awards when I was running around like a

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lunatic with my video camera and light

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so mean I could do the red carpet the

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Vox pops on the red carpet and look I'll

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link to the video of the podcast awards

1155
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,720
in the show notes so you can see all the

1156
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awards and of course May nada running up

1157
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to the stage and being a bit of a goose

1158
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what you heard in the earlier in the

1159
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introduction was a edited version of his

1160
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acceptance speech so if you want to hear

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the whole thing head for the link i'll

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post in the show notes i'm looking

1163
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forward to next weekend everybody i'm

1164
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:43,100
looking forward to next weekend i'm

1165
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going to catching up with some friends

1166
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from the stranger things group here in

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sydney we're having a working be

1168
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afternoon working bee and meeting a

1169
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think tank I don't know what you'd call

1170
00:52:59,980 --> 00:52:56,890
it we're going to be spending hours on

1171
00:53:02,500 --> 00:52:59,990
laptops researching predictions as part

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00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:02,510
of the prediction the great prediction

1173
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,240
project I'm working on looking forward

1174
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:07,760
to that it should be a lot of fun thank

1175
00:53:11,530 --> 00:53:09,410
you to those people who continue to

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support the skeptic zone financially you

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00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:14,119
can do that at skeptic zone TV some

1178
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:15,830
people chip in a dollar a week some

1179
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:18,140
people chip in five some very generous

1180
00:53:22,830 --> 00:53:20,990
people chip in a bit more and it all

1181
00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:22,840
adds up and means that i can keep

1182
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bringing you the show and the reporters

1183
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:26,720
can keep bringing you the show too so

1184
00:53:33,070 --> 00:53:29,720
thank you thank you once again but for

1185
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:33,080
this week as I am as i go and gargle

1186
00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:36,560
some something or other two to help my

1187
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:38,750
poor old croaky voice from last night I

1188
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:40,700
think I got a bit carried away that was

1189
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:43,460
me yelling hooray one minute laughs one

1190
00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:46,790
Hill port for this week this is Richard

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00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Saunders moored who's sleeping yes

1192
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:51,530
mortage sleeping next to me I don't know

1193
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:52,730
where Henrietta is I think

1194
00:54:01,360 --> 00:53:54,980
under the bed somewhere signing off from

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Sydney Australia you've been listening

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